My friend recently had the pleasure of watching an
Eldar player destroy a Dark Angel Dethwing themed army, a Chaos Space Marine
Death Guard themed army, and his own Necron army. All the games were played at
2,000 points and had one thing in common; the Eldar won resounding victories
against each player. This worries me because normally a new codex has a period
of growing pains when a player has a hard time figuring out what will work and
what wont and when they do when it is by the skin of their teeth. This is
clearly not the case so my tactical team put their thinking caps on and we came
up with three theories on how to beat the Eldar.
Theory
1 by Tactician Delta: Pinning is the most important
factor in limiting the Eldar’s rapidly moving soldiers. Tactician Delta
believes sniper weapons are the best tool for this task because of their
multiple special rules. When snipers cause an unsaved wound it makes the unit
that got shot take a pinning test, they also gain precision shots on a hit roll
of 6 and are rending on the wound roll of 6. If you can remove the squad leader
most units will be taking that pinning check on a 7 which gives a pretty decent
chance to pin the target, and remember they also have to pass another leadership
to stand back up since a pinned unit automatically goes to ground. He also
believes that snipers will do well against the high toughness units such as
those with “Wraith” in their name since they always wounds on a 4+ and hopes
that there will be enough rending wounds to get past their good armor save.
Tactician Delta plays Imperial Guard and the synergy that would go well with
the snipers is a fast hard hitting force in the form of Valkyries and
Vendettas. The lascannons provide high strength shots to turn a target to dust
and missile racks will hit anything else left standing. He also likes plasma
veterans, what kind of guard player doesn’t, and he keeps them in his
anti-Eldar build but does get rid of his transports because of their access to
many high strength weapons and gets more bodies on the field.
While
the main purpose of this post is to look at just facing Eldar I understand that
it’s probably not worth adopting these tactics if they can’t be used against
other opponents. The tactic of pinning entire squads and getting some lucky
rolling to kill sergeants or special characters is still a viable one across
the board. Against armies with 3+ armor saves this is probably not the best use
of this tactic but should work quite well against anybody else and should serve
a purpose in a tournament against a wider spectrum of opponents.
Theory
2 by Tactician Butcher: Bodies, bodies, and MORE BODIES! In this tacticians Chaos rattled mind throwing
more bodies into the fray is the answer to this problem. He may be right in
thinking this way. Really what is the best way to slow down a fast hard hitting
opponent but swamping them in bodies? I have a lot of experience having this
tactic used against me where my 30 blood Angels would be mired down in a grinding
grueling fight with 60+ Kriegsmen. It’s a damn good tactic to nullify those
high strength weapons of the elder. Who cares when you lose a 7 point model
compared to a 16 point marine? This is a pretty simple but effective tactic.
In
tournaments this will still serve you well against any number of opponents,
especially against armies that rely on close combat to break their opponent.
You may run into trouble when someone brings out the flamers or large blast
templates but if you can get into combat first with a blob of stubborn/fearless
guys they will probably be there at the end of the game still holding up a unit
worth twice their points.
Theory
3 by Avenging Angel: As an assault oriented Space Marine
player I am rightly terrified by Eldar. Having an opponent that is faster than
me in all phases of the game and has enough weapons to wreck me before my
chainswords can taste flesh is just a miserable thought, and now that army has
come into existence. I came up with a little acronym for my theory, BDSM:
Bolter Damage Spamming Missiles. I like 1500 point games so I will share with
you what I believe is a solid anti-Eldar list.
HQ: This is the
flexible choice. I chose a Librarian and upgraded him to an Epistolary so he
could use two psychic abilities per turn. Any HQ choice that has an attack that
can kill anything in one hit will fit in here because it will be worth it when
you kill your opponents Wraithknight with the power of your psykers mind! If
the force weapon idea doesn’t turn you on then just stick him in any other
squad in my list and hope he rolls those abilities that allow re-rolls when
shooting.
Troops: 40 Tactical
Marines (4 squads) with flamer and missile launcher. Sergeant has a
combi-plasma upgrade. Your sergeant is going to do more damage firing his
bolter then he will in close combat with the Eldar who will challenge him with
their squad leader who will kill him before you get to strike so let him try
and shoot em down first. Take the flamer because you won’t be doing any charges
and d3 hits when your opponent charges is nice. Take the missile launcher
because it is a str 8 day ender or a well placed frag missile can also do a lot
of damage. This also gives you 4, or 8 scoring units if you combat squad them,
that can go claim objectives.
Fast Attack: Two 5man assault
squads. If anything breaches your line you throw these men into the fray like
the bad asses assault marines are supposed to be, and then watch them get cut
down, but they saved you for a turn which is their job.
Heavy Support: Three
5man devastator squads with 4x missiles. What can’t 12, 16 if you add in the
tactical squads, missile shots kill in a turn? You can also put Thunderfire
cannons here instead and slow the Eldar down with the shot that puts them in
difficult terrain giving the tactical squads more time to shoot them down, or drop
the str 6 round and watch the Eldar disintegrate under the barrage.
This list will serve you well
against any opponent because it is very flexible and turns out a lot of shots
per turn and is pretty survivable. On a side note making this list killed me
because it doesn’t seem fun at all to play because all you do is scoot around
the board blasting away with two weapons. If I wanted to do that I would play
Tau.
If you have any comments about the ideas in this post please feel free to comment. Criticism is always welcome.
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I like your list and logic for combating the new and ever growing threat that is the Eldar. Like all lists though, it seems that if you stick to their roles then you "should" be fine, deviate from plans and you'll end up paying the price with unnecessary losses. I would be very interested seeing this list combat the Eldar in a battle report...still like the Chaos idea best though :)
ReplyDeleteIt is so hard to stick to the role you assign a squad when you see your guys getting butchered a squad at a time. Sometimes you just have to get vengeance on the squad that is giving you pain, even if it costs you the win.
DeleteI have almost lost to a tau player in that way when I tried to kill his 3 riptides, but when I re-thought the situation I decided to kill his 2 pathfinders units(the only troops) and just win by objectives which I did. He was so obsessed with trying to kill all my guardsmen that forgot it was turn 6 and game ended :D
DeleteGreetings Daniil, I greatly appreciate your comment on my humble blog. Well done keeping a level head and going for his weak spot. Congrats on the win, as far as I am concerned anyone fielding 3 riptides deserves to lose. That is something I like in 6th edition, most of the game types have multiple objectives that a player most hold so an opponent with only two troop choices is going to be hard pressed to win, especially if those die.
DeleteHi i like your ideas but as my hard nosed eldar player in my group stated he will never charge my BA units because he knows he will lose i have DC SG assualt units an they rarely get close as his eldar totally shoot them to pulp before they can be effective so i have started coming up with my solution i combat squad my 2 of my tacs an place them in 2 drop pods 2 squads of flamers one of each and 2 squads with melta flamers work on removing troops meltas any high value targets that could cause me some serious issues via the next turn this allows me some breathing room to move my assualt units up my 10 man DC and 7man SG with priest this set up ruins my eldar opponent but only if i get them up fast an do as much damage as possible with tacs in the process a 3rd 10man tac unit with flamer only moves up taking any point or objectives and using fast rule a forth 10man tac squad stays at the rear with plasma an heavy bolter to kill anything moving for my nearby objectives points i run a vindicator to deal with eldar jet bikes or groups of squads that can cut down the DC and SG but then i also have a baal pred or a twinlinked las pred we do play games of 1850pts raising to 2300pts as we have made our own campaign using the planetry empires format an created new balanced rules for the campaign with strategems and factional strategems the book we made is still got FAQs and is constantly being updated with nearly all factions there the book can be dld from SCRIBED ... we have had alot of interest and request let me know wat u think of my general BA set up against eldar an for further info on our planetry empires campaign booklet you can get me on bonsey82@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteNoticed i missed out the 3rd tac unit is in a rhino.... and the SG unit has 5encarmine blades an 2 axes at ap2 and a banner allowing extra attacks....
DeleteNoticed i missed out the 3rd tac unit is in a rhino.... and the SG unit has 5encarmine blades an 2 axes at ap2 and a banner allowing extra attacks....
DeleteGreetings Robert! First off let me thank you for visiting and commenting on this post. I think I have a grasp of what you're trying to do with your army. I'll be the first to admit that Sanguinary Guard are amazing models, but not the best on the table. The 2+ save is great, but as you're familiar with, Eldar have easy access to ap 2 weapons. I hate to say it, but you might want to sub them out for something else. You can do a lot with about 250 points which will serve you better than the golden guard. For you I highly recommend getting a furiouso in a drop pod. Now you have 3 units in drop pods, two coming down on your first turn, use the built in melta or flamer from the furiouso to kill some things and hope it can absorb the return fire. Either way, that's shots not coming at your death company. I would also get rid of that 4th tactical squad, they don't sound like they are doing a whole lot for you. If you drop the sanguinary guard and the 4th tax squad you can probably trade those points for a dread in a drop pod and a squad of bikers. I suggest the bikers because that is a fast unit that can easily keep pace with the D CO guys while providing a bit of a fire base, plus toughness 5 is nice. My last suggestion is to drop the priest. Get a chaplain to run with the death co, or maybe a captain to ride with the bikers to give them a close combat punch. I hope my advice makes sense and that you give those perfidious Eldar a run for their money. For the Emperor!
DeleteHi i like your ideas but as my hard nosed eldar player in my group stated he will never charge my BA units because he knows he will lose i have DC SG assualt units an they rarely get close as his eldar totally shoot them to pulp before they can be effective so i have started coming up with my solution i combat squad my 2 of my tacs an place them in 2 drop pods 2 squads of flamers one of each and 2 squads with melta flamers work on removing troops meltas any high value targets that could cause me some serious issues via the next turn this allows me some breathing room to move my assualt units up my 10 man DC and 7man SG with priest this set up ruins my eldar opponent but only if i get them up fast an do as much damage as possible with tacs in the process a 3rd 10man tac unit with flamer only moves up taking any point or objectives and using fast rule a forth 10man tac squad stays at the rear with plasma an heavy bolter to kill anything moving for my nearby objectives points i run a vindicator to deal with eldar jet bikes or groups of squads that can cut down the DC and SG but then i also have a baal pred or a twinlinked las pred we do play games of 1850pts raising to 2300pts as we have made our own campaign using the planetry empires format an created new balanced rules for the campaign with strategems and factional strategems the book we made is still got FAQs and is constantly being updated with nearly all factions there the book can be dld from SCRIBED ... we have had alot of interest and request let me know wat u think of my general BA set up against eldar an for further info on our planetry empires campaign booklet you can get me on bonsey82@gmail.com
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